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Meet Julie Tamerler, a family law, business, and intellectual property attorney…and big time secondhand shopper! She is going to talk to us about the quandaries resale platforms face when it comes to knockoffs and fakes. It’s VERY complicated from both a legal and operational perspective. We’ll explore what *might* (or might not) happen to seller’s stuff if The Real Real or ThredUp went bankrupt. And she’ll explain to us why we should read those terms and conditions before we agree to sell on these platforms!
Read Julie’s writing in this area:
“If Resale Companies Go Bankrupt, Who Is Left Holding the Bag?” The Fashion Law.
“A Case Over Canal Street Fakes Raises Questions About the Potential Bounds of Landlord Liability,” The Fashion Law.
Other reading:
“The RealReal Sold Me A $3,600 Fake; Here’s Why Counterfeits Slip Through Its Authentication Process,” Richard Kestenbaum, Forbes.
“THE REALREAL’S AUTHENTICATION PRACTICES ARE NOT WHAT THEY SEEM, ACCORDING TO NEW INVESTIGATION,” Dhani Mau, Fashionista.
“HEY, QUICK QUESTION: WHY IS THE REALREAL SELLING UNMARKED TARGET DESIGNER COLLABORATIONS?” Alyssa Lapid, Meredith Lawrence, Lisa Peterson, Fashionista.
“The RealReal slashes workforce, store base in quest for profits,” Daphne Howland, Retail Dive.
“At a Glance: See How These Six Corporations Control the Luxury Fashion Industry,” Nika Mavrody, The Fashion Spot.
“Sasha Benz & The Curious Case Of The Fake Chanel Earrings,” Christie Grimm, The Social Post.
“The RealReal BadBad: Fashion’s next big scandal?” The Wreck List.
Welcome to Clotheshorse, the podcast that once accidentally bought counterfeit shampoo and it made my hair a disgusting mess.
I’m your host, Amanda and this is episode 157. I’m going to be really honest with all of you and tell you that I haven’t left the house in more than 5 days because I have been very ill with a “feels like covid because it’s so miserable, but doesn’t test for covid” sickness. If you know, you know. But the show must go on! That’s one of the big differences between having an independent podcast versus being part of a podcast network. There’s no one here to cover for me when I’m sick! I’m still pretty stuffed up and my voice sounds less lovely than usual, so I’m going to keep the intro/outro portion of this episode very, very short.
The good news? My conversation with today’s guest is so thorough (and lengthy) that you don’t even need to hear from me! In this episode, you will meet Julie Tamerler, a family law, business, and intellectual property attorney…and big time secondhand shopper!
Today Julie is going to talk to us about the quandaries resale platforms face when it comes to knockoffs and fakes. Trust me, it’s really complicated and there is a lot to unpack here. And she’ll explain to us why we should read those terms and conditions before we agree to sell on these platforms!
So let’s jump right in!
Thanks to Julie for spending two hours talking to me about this! It was super educational and enlightening for me…definitely gave me a lot to think about in terms of resale and the future of secondhand…which is super timely because I am working on a secondhand ethics episode (more like “pair of episodes”) with Alex of St. Evens that will be coming your way in a few weeks! I am going to share Julie’s articles with you in the show notes. Don’t be intimidated, because she writes in a very approachable and accessible way. Definitely go give them a read! And I’ll share some other follow up reading as well!
That’s all I have for this week. I’m going to go put a compress on my forehead and do some eustachian tube massages. Yeah, it’s a real thrillride over here at Clotheshorse World HQ.
See you next week!
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